Liquid Arginine
Thursday, December 17, 2009
FormorSucks.com Preview of What's to Come...
Monday, December 14, 2009
Many are searching on this site, and even emailing me, This site will get a makeover soon, I have been swamped. Today many are searching Chris Gingrasso - in the next few weeks
We will talk about the people that contact me worried for their adult children who have got "sucked in" to Dan Hobbs revivals and more about ForMor selling product in the name of God.
The Formor stuff is my first hand experience. the Ace K stuff, and the other insider secrets ...
That does not change the fact of how ForMor International - Chris Gingrasso treated me.
No one will ever convince me that Formor International did not steal my sales, I watched it happen on my stat counter, people called me.. there was and is nothing I can do but warn folks though they seem to Not believe me, oh well this is my Story, my experience and whether you believe me or not does not change the Truth of what REALLY happened.
ForMor International Constantly sabotaged my business and took from me, why not fire me long before they used me, copied my ideas, stole my Internet traffic and then harassed me and All in the name of God, of Scriptures sent to me.. WHAT?
Believe What you Need to.
For Me I Know my Truth.
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Hello Readers - I had dropped this Site from Public View... however.. I have a..
Monday, November 9, 2009
Hi Folks, well a Young Man it would seem has started a blog about what he thinks happened to me at Formor, a Blog that trashes my Real Estate Career, Oddly compliments my Photography, and is to let you know that Formor Rocks and well I am just out to get them.... oh and lots of other things. And this alleged young man is doing so anonymously, the Domain name was registered anonymously and he is an anonymous author or he thinks he is.
Folks Do Not Trust information or advice of any kind that the Author will not put their name to.
So this Site is back up, Expect a whole lot more on this young man, his blog on me, what his connections to ForMor are, his Opinion on Bastards and Homosexuals, and a whole lot more.. stay tuned... for more of this Soap Opera....
Who Tested Cardio Cocktail and Gave me the Report on the Ace-K being In Cardio Cocktail?
Coming Soon
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Letter to Me from Todd Bates
Crystal,
I know you don’t like ForMor and that’s fine with me.
I certainly don’t expect you to publish any of this.
However, I would like to set the record straight on a couple issues.
When I talked about how much money I have made at a meeting, I was referring to one issue…
What I made as a result off having two positions.
Everyone who had two positions when it was allowed was free to keep the two at the time of the change.
If I had not had the two positions in that plan I would have been making far less.
What you published was taken out of context.
As far as income goes…
I know better than to make income claims in any forum.
I would have only alluded to the fact that myself and others have earned five figures a month, and that is absolutely true.
Crystal, I certainly don’t make excuses for moving people under people in the old 15/45 plan.
I had several full-time people dying in the old plan because they could not get past 4-7k a month.
That plan was SO difficult for most people to make a full-time income.
So, I moved several people under others to increase their income at my expense.
Anytime I moved anyone multiple people benefited, including the person being moved.
I made sure additional volume was moved under the person being moved from the sponsor’s first level.
Lastly, I was working at corporate when David Nelson was terminated.
There was so much evidence as to his violations that FMI had no choice but to act.
If there had not been a ton of proof ,I'm sure Mr. Nelson would have taken legal action.
I have no intention to get in a debate with you on these or any other issues you may have ForMor.
Don't bother trying to engage me in any issues you have with ForMor, as I will not respond.
Anyway, I hope you do well with whatever company your with, and whatever you do!
Thanks,
Todd Bates
ForMor International
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ForMor sticks it to the distributors again
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
This Information sent in to the FMI Sucks Blog.
DTD 9-22-09.
This seems to be the standard procedure for returned items.
I had someone in my downline return bottles of Argenix to ForMor and below is ForMor's unbelievable response.
To Whom it Concerns,
This response is quite interesting. If these paid out bonuses are correct, the product itself is no real value-that is manufacturing costs are basically nil. Should give us something to think about!!!
Regards, Distributor
ForMor Response
Hello Distributor,
In reference to the orders you returned from Nov/Dec 2008, we will be issuing a refund to you minus the bonus amounts paid out to your upline. See the breakdown as follows:
The order from November was $241.73 (not including shipping) we paid-out in bonuses $231.00.
The order from December was $241.73 (not including shipping) we paid-out in bonuses $231.00
The total refund which will be put back on the credit card used for these purchases, ending in **************, will be $21.46. We will make this refund tomorrow.
Thank you for your patience!
Max
Director of Experience
ForMor International
501.336.0077
The following is my response:
This is an outright lie! The product cost $39.95 per bottle of which $14.95 is uncommissionable. ForMor also states that their maximum payout is 83%, which leaves 17% of 25 BV which equals $4.25...so he should be getting back $4.25 + $14.95 or $19.20 per bottle X12 bottles equals $230.40. Where they come up with the $21.46 is truly a mystery. He would be better off demanding the 12 bottles back!
A commission of $231 on a $243.70 comes out to 95.5%. No company would be able to stay in business with this much of a payout.
If I was this Distributor, I would pursue this further.
ForMor is putting Distributors out of business
With the recent price decrease Formor is putting it’s distributors in the unemployment line. Part time Distributors will be forced to only purchase what they can personally use and I can tell you, it is not 4 Bottles per month.
There is no way one person can absorb 4 quarts of product every month. With the new qualification and price structure it will be necessary to stock pile product in the garage. The part time distributor will be forced to quit. With a stock pile of product nobody wants. Can’t sell, can’t give away, even the dog won’t eat it. You will have to throw it down the drain.
ForMor On Returned products ~ Didn’t you know they are not refunded?
My upline purchased a large quantity of ForMor Product unfortunately for the week before the bottom fell out at ForMor International and they began a Liquidation sale, no pun intended.
This valuable Distributor has no recourse but to “Eat It”.
Here one of the questions shared with us in an email letter issued by ForMor International in response to the Distributors that were nailed one last time by the ForMor International’s previous “Price Gouging” tactics.
What should I do with Cardio Cocktail that I have in stock at the higher price?
ForMor’s Scripted answer for distributors to issue:
This valuable Distributor has no recourse but to “Eat It”.
Here one of the questions shared with us in an email letter issued by ForMor International in response to the Distributors that were nailed one last time by the ForMor International’s previous “Price Gouging” tactics.
What should I do with Cardio Cocktail that I have in stock at the higher price?
ForMor’s Scripted answer for distributors to issue:
"What I have decided to do with my stock (I have about 25 bottles) is to sell them at the $49.95 Even though we paid $ 69.95 to be compliant with new pricing and move what I have even though this may be at a bit of a loss. The long-term benefit of this change is what I have decided to focus on. For the most part I am using my stock to give people their first order and have what I gave them shipped back to me. We call this “Revolving Inventory”. "
This is Bull. The distributor has lost all credibility. The product is widely available for less money. Read more...
Some Say that ForMor did not Lower the Price of Cardio Cocktail to Compete with another Product..
Sunday, September 6, 2009
They say that ForMor International in all their compassion, lowered the price of Cardio Cocktail due to Economic Times... and well these folks fell for that .. hook line and sinker.
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What ever ForMor Says, what ever Super Duper Man of Honor Chris Gingrasso says, well it just has to be True Right? Especially if he throws in a Scripture or Two.
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The Truth is they Lowered the Price to Look like they are competing with the New and Well in my Opinion better Product from a better Company, that from where I am sitting actually seems to have morals and respect for those who make them money..
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Anyway... ForMor Did not Do this to Help YOU during Bad Economic times, you have to now buy 4 bottles of Cardio Cocktail instead of 2 bottles of Cardio Cocktail, your buy in to qualify is quite a bit more and the shipping is twice as much...
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The Ol' Bait and Switch... Gingrasso Style.. don't Forget Chris Gingrasso is a Magician.
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Al Sewell - Formor International Distributor
Tuesday, September 1, 2009
Al Sewell was responsible for bringing a great number of African Americans to join the ForMor International business. Al Sewell was always a favorite on stage with the people at the conventions and could excite any crowd with his enthusiasm. Right after his personal friend and sponsor, Dr. Harry Elwardt, was terminated, he and his friend Dave Parker, started getting phone calls from Stan Goss, Chris Gingrasso and Dave Bolden pleading with them to not follow Dr. Elwardt. When Al refused, he was terminated; his check stripped from him and once again told he was cross recruiting without providing any proof.
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Let's Look at the integrity of some of the leaders at Formor International
Now let’s look at the integrity of some of the leaders at ForMor International that are responsible for making all the changes and setting the new direction for ForMor.
Todd Bates…
Todd Bates has been with ForMor since 1996. Todd Bates originally was a distributor sponsored by David Nelson, but then left behind his organization behind to join the ForMor corporate team.
Obviously he was not making enough money. Later he decided to go back in the field and become a distributor. What is interesting was ForMor took some high volume distributors away from Ragon Moore, and created a new leg outside of Ragon Moore.
Now Mr. Moore (brought the idea of the 15-45 compensation plan to ForMor, his ID number is 1 and was always promised that everyone would be in his downline. ForMor broke their promise with Ragon Moore, which hurt him deeply and he was no longer visible at any of the ForMor functions.
At the meeting in November 2008, Todd Bates admitted to the entire group present, that he was not making the income he was telling everyone he was making and emphasized the need to change the comp plan.
Now, ForMor knew exactly what Todd Bates was earning, yet they allowed him to make false income claims on conference calls and at meetings all over the country.
James Abbey…
James Abbey could not meet the qualification to get paid the Double Diamond Elite bonus and told his sponsor Todd Bates that he was not making enough money.
Mr. Bates went into the back office in ForMor and moved Kevin Casanova from under himself and placed him under James Abbey giving Mr. Abbey the volume needed to qualify for the Double diamond Elite bonus.
James Abbey earned that extra $1500 check the old fashion way…it was given to him.
Kevin Casanova…could not meet the qualification to get paid the Double Diamond Elite bonus and told his sponsor Todd Bates he was not making enough money to stick with the program. Mr. Bates went into the ForMor back office and once again moved volume from directly under James Abbey and placed it under Kevin Casanova so he could now qualify to get paid the extra $1500.
This information was common knowledge among the distributors who actually earned their Double Diamond Elite bonus. It infuriated them to learn their checks became smaller because a couple of individuals, who did not earn the bonus, joined this prestigious group, which lowered their pay out from the bonus pool.
David Bolden…while Dr. Harry Elwardt and Al Sewell were attending ForMor University, David Bolden approached them with an offer.
He explained that he was going to sign up a new distributor in Russia and that this distributor was responsible for all the volume that he and Dan Hobbs had with their last MLM company. (in Case your Wondering Why Dan Hobbs showed up.. I mean he is VERY bad at Marketing, yet he is touted as a Marketing Guru.. there HAD to be OTHER connections.. I Get Internet Markeing and Believe Me Dan Hobbs DOES NOT.. he Does not even own his own dotcom but brags about being able to Market you.. Dan Hobbs can only market with hate, discrimination and lies.... In My Informed, Experienced .. Opinion)
David Bolden's idea was to sign this person under Al Sewell and with Dr. Elwardt’s assistance of introducing the DPAs to Russia; it would be a win win for everyone.
His only requirement for this to happen was for Dr. Elwardt to approve to move his entire downline under David Bolden.
He completed the meeting by saying, "don’t let anyone else know about this."
Dr. Elwardt, at the time, saw no problem with this move and approved it with his sponsor Todd Bates. The move took place immediately, the Russian distributor was signed up under Al Sewell and then the Russians started pouring into the company…WRONG!
One month went by…two months…three months and so on. Not one person signed up under this Russian. Now, who benefits the most from the termination of Al Sewell and Dr. Elwardt? David Bolden Does...
So, you can see shenanigans like this have been going on for some time. ForMor has their favorites and allows their favorites freedom to do whatever they want. And if anyone opposes ForMor…they will just cut their legs out from under them. (Kind of Like a Supplement Mafai or an MLM Cartel)
Rumor has it that when Chris Gingrasso announced on a leaders conference call that Dr. Harry's termination letter was mailed out… that all these leaders actually cheered on the phone.
Why is this? They all loved Dr. Harry when they were using him to get rich, and then when they had sucked the life from his business they simply removed him. DO NOT doubt that YOU will BE Next.
There is NOT One Reason to Trust ANYONE at the Corporate Level or Top Cronies at ForMor Internation, if they will do this to Top Distributors, they will do this to you.
ForMor International, Magician Chris Gingrasso and all those Elite Boys at ForMOR are not of Integrity and if you build your business at ForMor International well then you are Wasting your Time, your money, Your Family's Time, and you are NOT building a Future..
It is Only a Matter of Time before ForMor International.. Stan Goss, Michael Goss, and Chris Gingrasso... and the Gang of Thieves at ForMor International Terminate YOU...
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ForMor says that you can be your own boss
ForMor says that you can be your own boss and own your own company…but who actually owns that company. It is obvious you work for ForMor and they own your business and can fire you at anytime for any reason.
ForMor says you can build a residual check that can pay you for a lifetime and you can pass that check to your family if something should happen…but in all actuality, they can strip you or your family of that money at anytime for any reason.
ForMor International Lies, are You Willing to Take the Risk?
Dr. Harry Elwardt - a SHOCKING Termination By ForMor International Who to Me is the Wolf In Sheeps Clothing
Dr. Harry Elwardt was the Driving Force of ForMor's Public Relations. ForMor International spoke highly of Dr. Harry all the Time, they used Harry as their "Dr" Figure to Promote ForMor, to Give them Credibility. He Seemed to me as the Only Real Visible Force at ForMor, especially on the Internet.
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Dr. Harry Elwardt fit into this role that ForMor Needed nicely as long as ForMor was making big money and it seems to me that when ForMor sales started to decline due to competition in the market, lack of integrity at ForMor, and a disgraceful pay plan change by Dan Hobbs, play pretend marketing guru.. well ForMor need some dough, so they Terminated the Infamous Dr. Harry who had become the Face of ForMor to MOST.. anyone that could use a computer that is.
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Dr. Harry Elwardt served on the Distributor Advisory Board as well as the Medical Advisory Board. He was responsible for the sales of over 200 DPAs to ForMor distributors as well as the certification of training of over 600 ForMor distributors.
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After a meeting in November 2008, which Dr. Elwardt was not invited to, the decision was made to move away from helping people with their health issues, to focus on the financial opportunity and to change the pay plan after 13 years from the 15/45 to a 10/20.
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In March 2009, Dr. Elwardt made the decision to go to another company but to leave his ForMor business as is to collect the residual income he created for years to come.
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He even notified all of the ForMor top leaders and company owners of his plan to make this move based on their new direction which no longer fit into his plans to win the war against heart disease. Just sixty days later, ForMor terminated his position, taking away his check and said he was cross-recruiting, but never provided any proof.
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This WILL happen to Every Single One of you.. No matter what your opinion of Dr. Harry is, you have to admit he is a Down Line building machine, you could be Dr. Harry. Years building a business for you, for your family and one day the Big - Greedy Boys, the Wolves in Sheeps Clothing at ForMor International with a Bible Scripture ready for every occasion, well, they WILL cut you off at the knees with NO REMORSE and you will Legally, it seems, Get NOTHING.
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and Chris Gingrasso has the Balls to Accuse Me of "Bait and Switch" - this is the Ultimate Bait and Switch and ALL ForMor Distributors will eventually pay the price.
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You See Dr. Harry.. was making some dough.. the kind of money that we all strive for in MLM marketing, and well one day, no warning.. a Magical Policy Change - a Double Crossing from within the doors of ForMor.. and Guess what.. the Greedy Gluttons at ForMor International get to Legally keep his money.
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Harry Elwardt, in a big way created the Money Mine that ForMor International has, and if they will do this to Dr. Harry Elwardt... NOT one of you is off limits.
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Dr. Harry Elwardt fit into this role that ForMor Needed nicely as long as ForMor was making big money and it seems to me that when ForMor sales started to decline due to competition in the market, lack of integrity at ForMor, and a disgraceful pay plan change by Dan Hobbs, play pretend marketing guru.. well ForMor need some dough, so they Terminated the Infamous Dr. Harry who had become the Face of ForMor to MOST.. anyone that could use a computer that is.
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Dr. Harry Elwardt served on the Distributor Advisory Board as well as the Medical Advisory Board. He was responsible for the sales of over 200 DPAs to ForMor distributors as well as the certification of training of over 600 ForMor distributors.
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After a meeting in November 2008, which Dr. Elwardt was not invited to, the decision was made to move away from helping people with their health issues, to focus on the financial opportunity and to change the pay plan after 13 years from the 15/45 to a 10/20.
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In March 2009, Dr. Elwardt made the decision to go to another company but to leave his ForMor business as is to collect the residual income he created for years to come.
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He even notified all of the ForMor top leaders and company owners of his plan to make this move based on their new direction which no longer fit into his plans to win the war against heart disease. Just sixty days later, ForMor terminated his position, taking away his check and said he was cross-recruiting, but never provided any proof.
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This WILL happen to Every Single One of you.. No matter what your opinion of Dr. Harry is, you have to admit he is a Down Line building machine, you could be Dr. Harry. Years building a business for you, for your family and one day the Big - Greedy Boys, the Wolves in Sheeps Clothing at ForMor International with a Bible Scripture ready for every occasion, well, they WILL cut you off at the knees with NO REMORSE and you will Legally, it seems, Get NOTHING.
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and Chris Gingrasso has the Balls to Accuse Me of "Bait and Switch" - this is the Ultimate Bait and Switch and ALL ForMor Distributors will eventually pay the price.
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You See Dr. Harry.. was making some dough.. the kind of money that we all strive for in MLM marketing, and well one day, no warning.. a Magical Policy Change - a Double Crossing from within the doors of ForMor.. and Guess what.. the Greedy Gluttons at ForMor International get to Legally keep his money.
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Harry Elwardt, in a big way created the Money Mine that ForMor International has, and if they will do this to Dr. Harry Elwardt... NOT one of you is off limits.
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One Week or a Decade, your Gone, when they say you are.. no rules... no integrity... no loyalty.. YOU are Dispensable at ForMor International.. Guaranteed.
BIBLE SCRIPTURE to Consider:
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Luke 12:15, "And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth."
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Isaiah 56:11, "Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter."
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Luke 11:39, "And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness."
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Luke 12:15, "And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth."
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Isaiah 56:11, "Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter."
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Luke 11:39, "And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness."
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(ForMor International to Me)
2 Chorinthians - Chapter 11, 12 through 15
"12 But I will continue doing what I have always done. This will undercut those who are looking for an opportunity to boast that their work is just like ours. 13 These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve. "
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Galatians 6: 7 - 9
7 Don’t be misled—you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. 8 Those who live only to satisfy their own sinful nature will harvest decay and death from that sinful nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit. 9 So let’s not get tired of doing what is good. At just the right time we will reap a harvest of blessing if we don’t give up. 10 Therefore, whenever we have the opportunity, we should do good to everyone.."o Read more...
Steve Moretta…Formor International Distributor - ForMor Quit Paying Royalty.. ForMor Terminated Steve Moretta .. Questions over All This..
Steve Moretta was a Platinum Diamond with the majority of his business being in Latin America countries. ForMor International asked him to open up Mexico for them and promised he would receive an override on every bottle purchased in Mexico.
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One day, after Steve spent a great deal of time opening Mexico, ForMor quit paying the royalty. When Steve complained…ForMor terminated him (and his wife’s position) taking away (their) residual checks which they had worked years to create.
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(Steve is building his own network marketing company. His wife was reinstated in ForMor. I wonder if it has anything to do with an agreement of Steve purchasing products from ForMor owners that are sold outside of the ForMor downline?
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Steve is building a competing network marketing company. Why was his wife reinstated? Is this capricious? Is this fair? I wonder what the “business deal” really is?
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Dr. J. Joseph Prendergrast - Formor International Distributor Terminated
Dr. J. Joseph Prendergrast…was the Chief Medical Officer with ForMor and supported ForMor by speaking around the country about arginine. When Dr. Prendergrast discovered the arginine product that ForMor had formulated did not contain the 5 grams of arginine…he immediately resigned from being the Chief Medical Officer. ForMor then terminated his distributor position taking away his residual check which he was receiving from all his patients being on the product.
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Mark Rosales and Digital Pulsewave Technology
Mark Rosales introduced the Digital Pulsewave technology to ForMor through Meridian Medical and later through Medicore. Mark Rosales was also a Platinum Diamond in ForMor. He also had a contract to receive royalties on every machine that was sold. One day ForMor decided to cancel the contract and when Mark complained they terminated his distributorship, took away his residual check and said he was cross-recruiting…again without providing any proof.
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James Abbey of ForMor International says that ForMor NEVER does this.. so This blog is exploring some of those that have had this done to them at ForMor, some VERY big Players with VERY big Paychecks..
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If ForMor International has Terminated Your Distributorship email me your story at Crystal@CrystalCox.com and Get Heard.
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Does ForMor Really Steal Downlines? The Shirley Headley Story - One Widow's Fight to Keep her Checks
Shirley Headley…her husband, Jack Headley, built his Formor International business to the Diamond level (this was in the very beginning of ForMor in November 1996) and he was receiving a nice check for his effort.
Unfortunately he passed away, (seven months after he sponsored David Nelson) but the good news is the check (kept) going to Shirley as long as she maintained the qualification, which she did.
ForMor owners would frequently talk about how great network marketing was in that Shirley could receive this residual income from the efforts of her husband.
It was truly a blessing to her.
(Several years later) ForMor decided it was not fair that she was getting all this money (and that she was not really doing anything for it) and transferred (a good portion of her) downline to under someone else and she no longer received the (substantial) check that (the distributorship was producing.) (When she inquired about where the downline had gone, she was just given no satisfactory answer.)
(Shirley hired David G. Eisenstein, an MLM attorney, to try to recover her lost downline. Eisenstein wrote a letter to ForMor. Here is part of the response that Michael Goss wrote back on February 17, 2006 as President of ForMor:
“ForMor has acted in accordance with the Terms and Conditions of our Distributor Agreement and our published Policies and Procedures. At no time have we deprived Mrs. Headley of any remunerations due her. In fact, we have allowed her to continue to draw income even though she is and has been, in violation of the Distributor Agreement since the death of Jack.”
This response from Mr. Goss demonstrates the arbitrary and capricious manner in which ForMor owners manage the company. If Mrs. Headley was in violation, then why did ForMor make the decision to continue to pay her from 1998 until 2006?
That’s 8 years! Do you think they liked the good “press” about how great ForMor was in helping this widow and how beautiful network marketing could be when one is able to inherit a distributorship?
Here’s more from Michael Goss: “Next, please understand that the organization from which Mrs. Headley benefits, is not due to her efforts, nor the efforts of her husband. When Jack died, there was only a small organization in place. Since his death, Mrs. Headley has seen fit to do nothing to build or sustain the organization. The organization was the result of the efforts of David Nelson and others, whose efforts caused Mrs. Headley tremendous benefit.”
What does this mean exactly, “not due to the efforts of her husband”? Didn’t Jack, through his efforts, sponsor David Nelson. Isn’t this how network marketing works? Jack died 7 months after he sponsored David Nelson.
At that time, David Nelson was earning over $25,000 per month from a very large organization. To say that there was “only a small organization in place” is simply not factual.
Mrs. Headley consistently contributed on a monthly basis to co-op advertising to support the building efforts of her downline. She worked in connection with her upline Ragon Moore to qualify and manage her inherited business.
For Michael Goss to write that “Mrs. Headley has seen fit to do nothing to build or sustain the organization” is clearly not factual.
Michael Goss also wrote: “Your client has benefited to the tune of just under $1,000,000. Roughly ninety-nine percent of that was received after the death of Jack. That was received, even though she was in breach of the agreement, because of our good will as a company. As you probably know, we have a right to recover that money, since she was in breach of the agreement at the time she earned it.”
If Mrs. Headley really was in breach of the agreement, why was she not terminated early on?
My Guess is ForMor simply let it go on long enough to benefit them.
Why would ForMor pay out almost $1,000,000 to a distributor who was in breach of the agreement? Does that make sense? Do you think that she truly was in breach of the agreement? Is Michael Goss inferring that ForMor is going to go after the money that this widow has received over the 8 year period? Is that how you read this?
Michael Goss closing to the letter: “Furthermore, at this time we have chosen not to pursue your client to pay back all bonus money paid since the breach. However, we reserve the right to pursue any and all potential legal remedies in the future.”
Do you read this as a warning to Mrs Headley that she should back off or . . . we are going to come after you? This is a widow who was living off the bonus money that she rightfully inherited from the efforts of her husband Jack.
Of course, on the bottom of the first page of the letter is the ForMor declaration: “The Lord demands fairness in every business deal. He established this principle. – Proverbs 16:11”
Fairness for whom?
Who determines the fairness? Do you want Michael Goss to determine the fairness of your network marketing residual income?
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Crystal L. Cox..
Ex-ForMor Distributor
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Unfortunately he passed away, (seven months after he sponsored David Nelson) but the good news is the check (kept) going to Shirley as long as she maintained the qualification, which she did.
ForMor owners would frequently talk about how great network marketing was in that Shirley could receive this residual income from the efforts of her husband.
It was truly a blessing to her.
(Several years later) ForMor decided it was not fair that she was getting all this money (and that she was not really doing anything for it) and transferred (a good portion of her) downline to under someone else and she no longer received the (substantial) check that (the distributorship was producing.) (When she inquired about where the downline had gone, she was just given no satisfactory answer.)
(Shirley hired David G. Eisenstein, an MLM attorney, to try to recover her lost downline. Eisenstein wrote a letter to ForMor. Here is part of the response that Michael Goss wrote back on February 17, 2006 as President of ForMor:
Gosses Quotes are in Blue.
Mr. Eisenstein,
“ForMor has acted in accordance with the Terms and Conditions of our Distributor Agreement and our published Policies and Procedures. At no time have we deprived Mrs. Headley of any remunerations due her. In fact, we have allowed her to continue to draw income even though she is and has been, in violation of the Distributor Agreement since the death of Jack.”
This response from Mr. Goss demonstrates the arbitrary and capricious manner in which ForMor owners manage the company. If Mrs. Headley was in violation, then why did ForMor make the decision to continue to pay her from 1998 until 2006?
That’s 8 years! Do you think they liked the good “press” about how great ForMor was in helping this widow and how beautiful network marketing could be when one is able to inherit a distributorship?
Here’s more from Michael Goss: “Next, please understand that the organization from which Mrs. Headley benefits, is not due to her efforts, nor the efforts of her husband. When Jack died, there was only a small organization in place. Since his death, Mrs. Headley has seen fit to do nothing to build or sustain the organization. The organization was the result of the efforts of David Nelson and others, whose efforts caused Mrs. Headley tremendous benefit.”
What does this mean exactly, “not due to the efforts of her husband”? Didn’t Jack, through his efforts, sponsor David Nelson. Isn’t this how network marketing works? Jack died 7 months after he sponsored David Nelson.
At that time, David Nelson was earning over $25,000 per month from a very large organization. To say that there was “only a small organization in place” is simply not factual.
Mrs. Headley consistently contributed on a monthly basis to co-op advertising to support the building efforts of her downline. She worked in connection with her upline Ragon Moore to qualify and manage her inherited business.
For Michael Goss to write that “Mrs. Headley has seen fit to do nothing to build or sustain the organization” is clearly not factual.
Michael Goss also wrote: “Your client has benefited to the tune of just under $1,000,000. Roughly ninety-nine percent of that was received after the death of Jack. That was received, even though she was in breach of the agreement, because of our good will as a company. As you probably know, we have a right to recover that money, since she was in breach of the agreement at the time she earned it.”
If Mrs. Headley really was in breach of the agreement, why was she not terminated early on?
My Guess is ForMor simply let it go on long enough to benefit them.
Why would ForMor pay out almost $1,000,000 to a distributor who was in breach of the agreement? Does that make sense? Do you think that she truly was in breach of the agreement? Is Michael Goss inferring that ForMor is going to go after the money that this widow has received over the 8 year period? Is that how you read this?
Michael Goss closing to the letter: “Furthermore, at this time we have chosen not to pursue your client to pay back all bonus money paid since the breach. However, we reserve the right to pursue any and all potential legal remedies in the future.”
Do you read this as a warning to Mrs Headley that she should back off or . . . we are going to come after you? This is a widow who was living off the bonus money that she rightfully inherited from the efforts of her husband Jack.
Of course, on the bottom of the first page of the letter is the ForMor declaration: “The Lord demands fairness in every business deal. He established this principle. – Proverbs 16:11”
Fairness for whom?
Fairness for what?
Who determines the fairness? Do you want Michael Goss to determine the fairness of your network marketing residual income?
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Crystal L. Cox..
Ex-ForMor Distributor
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More on James Abbey Message to Me
Folks it really is NOT true when James Abbey talks about ForMor never firing people without reason, ForMor International has been firing "heavy hitters" and stealing their down line for a very long time.
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No Notice, No Reason, Just HUGE Downlines Taken by ForMor International and Now they are Desperately Recruiting you unsuspecting New ForMor International Distributors.
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You Could spend a decade building a Huge Downline and without warning, one day it is just gone..
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Policies and Procedures at ForMor International are changed often it seems like, they are ignored, at times, for years until the Distributor makes big money and then ForMor Simply Takes the Money.... NO Notice, No Reason .. just Greed, Lack of Integrity and a serious lack of respect for the distributors that made them wealthy.
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Stan Goss
ForMor Distributors,
I was excited to see all of our distributors who turned-out for the ForMor Regional event in Chattanooga, TN last Saturday.
I wanted to say a special thanks to all of those who came, you are making a difference.
As you know, ForMor is only successful when you, our distributors, are successful. This success comes directly from putting more people in your downline. As sign ups grow so does volume along with your team's BV, which is how we get paid.
With that in mind, I would like to give you a challenge. We have set a goal to see 8,000 new distributors join us by January 1, with 4 months left that's 2,000 a month and 100 per day. I'm asking each of you to make a personal goal that would help us achieve this number. Then email you goal to me and together we can accomplish far more than any one person.
My email is: sgoss@formor.com
Remember to make your goal reasonable and believable. Together we will achieve our dreams.
Sincerely,
Stan Goss
CEO of ForMor International"
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What Do you Folks think of this letter, I mean really..
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James Abbey - ForMor International.. getting lot's of Traffic
Saturday, August 29, 2009
Many seem to be interested in my James Abbey Post. So many, in fact that at this point I am starting to see that James Abbey may very well be a part of those policy changes at ForMor. Why would he say things like no one being terminated without cause and send me that message ?
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Does he think I will say "oh sorry, I lied" "just having a bad day". I mean what was the real point of the message telling me I NEED to STOP?
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I am a Consumer Rights Advocate, mostly within the Real Estate World. I do not like to see people spend their money, time.. blood - sweat - and tears on something that those in power can take away at a moment's notice. I tell my story to protect other, to stand up for others.
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People are NOT coming to Formor in Droves as Chris Gingrasso has recently state, make them prove it to you before you simply "take their word for it".
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This Blog is what I experienced, I will soon be posting emails from Chris Gingrasso to me from last summer. It is Shocking that James Abbey just assumed that years later, I had never even tried to "talk" to those nice and reasonable folks at Formor.
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I gave it my all, Time - Money - Effort.. over and over and still the same lies, the same discrimination, and I was in no way treated fair or equal by Formor International.
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Also DO not Believe James Abbey of Formor International about people not being fired, don't believe me Either...Check into for yourself, many Big Boys were removed, fired for some reason ForMor International slipped in years later as policy or one day stopped ignoring that policy just so they could fire them and KEEP their ENTIRE downline.
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there is the TRUTH - there is the LIE.
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Email from James Abbey telling me I 'need to Stop" - Telling you the TRUTH about ForMor.
Saturday, August 22, 2009
The Email is in Blue and my Response is in Black.
If your so mad, why are you and (your upline) still buying product and selling it.
I did not know I was Buying Product, I was Terminated long after I tried to Quit, how can I buy..as far as Others buying it from my Previous Upline - I Don't Care what they do. Free Will.
The Original Marcus McFiddle Video is What Really Tipped me over the Edge.. It was so Discriminating, so Shocking, I don't know how Formor can even come back from that, unless of course they are all proud of ForMor being so blatantly discriminative against a Particular Sector of Society, oh well right.
http://www.formorsucks.com/2009/07/is-truth-copyright-infringement.html
ForMor is not who you Think they are. Do your own homework, I am NOT asking you to believe me. Join ForMor and see what happens for your own eyes. Think for Yourself. And as far as what I say on this blog.. DO NOT BELIEVE it.. Do your Own Homework, for Me it is True, I am not asking you to believe me, Believe what you need to sleep better at night. I am simply telling my story, I am only one girl, one person, one experience.. Think for yourself and Do what you need to do for you.
I don't under stand your mission here in trying to slander the company. Yes I know you were terminated, but why is that.
The Sales Tax Stuff, the lack of integrity, the changing of the Policy and Procedures at Random is true from what I currently know, if you know different then send your information and source on over.
Though our team dominated the internet for Cardio Cocktail. We did not make much money, though we got the traffic and the click through, FORMOR did change our links often and RUIN our business - I talked to ForMor month after month last summer and have the emails to prove it, Emails where they said no one had a website it was against Policy, YET I could GOOGLE and see that was a LIE or a Double Standard, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Look Deeper James Abbey, Cardio Cocktail and ForMor International are NOT who you think they are.. look into the details of every post.. Call Prendergast, Call any previous folks on the Medical Staff, DIG DEEP and FIND the Truth for YourSelf. Call people fired from Formor and who had their downline Stolen.. DO NOT BELIEVE ME.. do your OWN research.
I was NOT Really Terminated.. I mean come on, obviously a blog like this would make ForMor finally Remove me as a Distributor, Yet sometimes it seems I still may be there.. not sure really.
I Quit many months Before, but ForMor needs Snail mail and I did not want to do that so I was not allowed to Quit. So yes, finally a Termination Letter after they FINALLY figured out who owned FormorSucks.com and then a Cease and Desist with a Termination and some Bible Verses Slipped in.
They harassed Me, removed or change where my links went to weekly, I DID TALK TO THEM, and after all the money and work put in then the Pay plan fiasco.. Well for Me Formor International did not have integrity, for me they lied, they changed policy at random and from my point of view ForMor International is not a company of integrity, not a company who has your back or encourages you to grow a good business or that you could trust that business would be there after you spent years building it.. you never know when a lie or a policy change will steal your entire downline..
And on top of all this, the Original MarcusS McFiddle Video was VERY offensive and is When I had Taken Enough... ForMor never helped me, or encouraged my business to grow in any way.. this is simply my experience for me.. Take it or Leave it. You Do not Have to Read this Blog.
ForMor has never terminated anyone with out going to them and asking them to stop breaking the rules. So apparently you broke the rules.
This is NOT true, ask around, ForMor certainly Has Terminated People for NO Real Reason.
I BROKE the Rules over a YEAR ago when I had a WEBSITE, as did my Up line and my UPLINES Up lines.. I was not Terminated for that.. The Rules constantly changed, I joined with internet marketing as my main plan of sales, they were all doing it, then Formor emailed me and said no one had a website, this was in their defense to why do the links keep changing, well your not allowed to have a Website.. What? They all did.
You can believe what makes you sleep at night. Be careful you never know if your breaking a Rule at ForMor International, they change the rules at random. You cannot keep up unless your helping them to Make THE RULES... then there is the WE look the other Way for the Distributors we love.. and OR we let them Build HUGE down lines then fire them for something they were really doing all along.
You are trying to take out good distributors as well when you slander the company.
That is Just Too Bad, ForMor Promotes Discrimination and HATE, ForMor Lies, I am telling the Truth If it Hurts you TOO bad, consumers like I was deserve to know the TRUTH. By the Way TRUTH is NOT Slander, it is TRUTH..
You truly have a bigger heart then that. I mean come on.
Are you kidding, they trash me, they ruin my business, they lie to me and you want me to have a heart .. Wake up and Smell the Cardio Cocktail... I am not trying to Hurt YOU.. it is NOT personal toward you .. it is to Protect others from Becoming Victims of what ForMor is Really About.. it is That Simple.
If you got a problem with ForMor go to them talk to them but don't slander all the rest of us by posting garbage all over the internet.
Gee, I never Thought of that.. BEEN THERE done THAT.. ain't Happening.. they do not listen.
Sorry James Abbey that you feel slandered, but if your not in charge of the integrity of the ingredients, not in charge of the 10 customer rule, the ace k, and the other ISSUES I am discussing then how am I slandering you.
If I tell you the Truth, which I feel I have gained through personal experience or I have gotten from a source that I deem as reliable, and you feel slandered from this and you choose to work for that company then that has NOTHING to DO WITH ME.. Believe as you Choose, You Have Free Will.
James Abbey
You can QUIT ForMor or You can Stay. It is your Choice, I am writing the Truth as I have seen it and experienced it.. YOU don't have to Read this blog and you Do NOT have to Believe a Word I say..
ForMor Used Me, Harassed Me and Is Not of integrity... If you believe different then that is simply your choice.. the Truth Remains the Truth. This is My Opionion based on my research, my personal experience, conversations I have had, emails I have had, letters I have had. It is MY Blog.. if you don't like it click the big red X in the upper RIGHT and Move On.
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Would You Stay at Formor International if You Knew they Were Lying, or doing Something Illegal? Well if you were paid you sure would..
Saturday, August 15, 2009
If you know that Formor is doing something Illegal, Unethical or against FDA regulations and you stay working for them and even spend a decade endorsing them, what does that say about your character?
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It seems that many know what Formor International is really up to but they ignore it because of, well.. Greed..
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Catholic Healthcare Partners - Knoxville, Tennessee
Today Catholic Healthcare Partners - Knoxville, Tennessee searched Formor International and found this site, they did not stay long, it was obviously not what they were looking for. However, what alliance does Formor have with the Catholic Healthcare Partners in Knoxville, Tennessee and does it affect you?
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A question of Expiration Dates
It seems folks are getting new Cardio Cocktail that expires next Spring, I thought it had a shelf life of 2 years and the new bottles came out around last July, Right?
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Just a Question to Ponder... I think the new prices is Yes to Compete, but also to Liquidate Old Stock, the New Cardio Cocktail will most likely remove Ace-K as to Save ForMor Face...
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the Curiousity Seems to Be..
Wednesday, August 12, 2009
now I know Crystal Cox is a good lil' internet researcher, but some of this information is just to Good, SOMEONE inside ForMor must be FEEDING this Monster of a Blog.. But Who?
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BeFlora Plus Sweet Fiber
BeFlora Plus Originates in France and is Shipped from the USA.
BeFlora is a Blend of prebiotic oligofructose and a proprietary fructose, vegetable protein isolate and acesulfame potassium (Ace-K).
Cardio Cocktail Contains BeFlora and therefore Contains Ace-K, many sites call this "Sweet Poison".
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Formor Calling for a Prayer Meeting on the Fate of Formor
Friday, August 7, 2009
Why Not Honor, Dignity, Respect, Disclosure..
A Prayer Meeting for god to save Formor, what about all of us Formor has ruined..
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Kind of sad that Formor International is hurting people so bad, stealing downlines of top distributors again, lying to distributors, changing policy to the point of ruining incomes - ruining lives and all in the name of God, of Scripture, of Righteousness.
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Is Formor getting out of the Liquid Arginine business? they Push to Hurry, Hurry, Hurry and sell, get people qualified and then are they going out of business?
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I mean have they STOLE enough of your money yet and can now move on to another business with a new name to begin again?
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How could a Company with this kind of history and experience let a Man like Dan Hobbs come in and take down their entire business with ignorance, disrespect of those bringing in the money, rearranging downline, stealing downlines, and creating candy crap products to ruin the reputation they spent years building and Dan Hobbs is still at Formor international making sure that they are running into the ground.
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Nobel did not even get off the ground, then Nobel Minis marketed by discrimination and hate..
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And all this in the Name of God, in Praying, in Preaching from the Stage. this is Not of the Light, this is Not the Golden Rule and ForMor international's behavior is not for the good of all and no one will hold them accountable.
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As long as they keep their top distributors happy, everyone will Keep Formor's Dirty little secrets for pay. The Truth is the Truth, exposing the TRUTH only when it helps you and standing on the backs of others for your gain is WRONG, very, VERY wrong.
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How much money does or did Prendergast make to quietly leave Formor knowing that they were selling an arginine product that did not have 5 grams of Arginine.
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I have no respect for Spineless cowards that need their income stream so bad they look away at how Formor international was and is hurting the rest of us.
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I mean you either Stand with the Criminal or You stand with the Victim, you don't say .. oh ok, I won't tell as long as I am gettting paid, I know thousands of distributors are hurting and hundreds of thousands are at risk for allergic reaction, toxic sweeteners and thinking 5 Grams is in Arginine when it is NOT but I will look the other way if the God Fearing boys at Formor will just keep signing my check...
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It is ok to let the Top Formor executives Lie, Cheat, Steal as long as it only hurts the little guy, I have not taste or tolerance for this kind of behavior in the Name of MONEY... me First.. and in the Name of God..
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Sounds like a Deal with the Devil to me..
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and All in the Name of God, of Prayer of Hallelujah praise the Lord and bless us as we poison and rob our customers, clients and distibuters.
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